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Old 01-04-2006, 05:04 AM   #1
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As I see it, a good proxy list (that means fast, working proxies) is the main factor for a good combos/time ratio, while a good wordlist is the most important factor for the number of hits you get for a given number of tried combos.
Improving your proxy list by sorting out bad proxies and checking for good new ones from time to time is easy. But how do you go about improving wordlists?
What I can think about is making statistics about how often each combo in a list has generated hits. If you have got a decent number of hits out of your list, you could delete those with a hit count of zero, add slight variations of the successfull combos, and repeat the process when you've generated the next decent number of hits. That sounds like slow and boring work to me, though, are there better methods? Are there good programs around helping you in this task? And, how are Wordlists generated, anyway? Don't think somebody is sitting in front of notepad and manually inventing and typing some 10000 combos ;)
Any information would be appreciated!

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Old 01-04-2006, 05:35 AM   #2
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Just learned about Raptor, looks like a good program to start improving wordlists
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Old 01-04-2006, 08:14 AM   #3
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check out my tutorial in the tutorial section
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consider the number of hits you get with combolists
Old 01-06-2006, 05:45 AM   #4
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These brute forcers only work on todays sites because people like to use the same login for multiple sites or someone has been nice enought to share their end results of a cracked passfile. If you think about it...Chances are that every now and agian you get people with the same username and pass. But this is somewhat rare. The main point is that these usernames and passes come from somewhere. Also, it would take forever to try and brute force a site one leter at a time and with todays login security measures it wouldn't work on 99% do to limited amount of login attempts with a single username/ip. So really I think most of the good work starts with all those people who know their sh*t and are able to obtain the logins and passwords from the site. Sure, it takes some effort and knowhow to get the passes using combolists, but I tip my hat to all those exploiters (esp on this forum) and in general Hacker's that are able to get access to the systems and their passfiles.

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Old 01-08-2006, 08:18 PM   #5
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One thing I'll tell you about combolists is that bigger does not mean better. I see guys all the time collecting every damned combo they can find and building these gargantuan lists with them. That is not a good idea, especially when the lists were obtained with leeching programs like Athena or Combomania, which are next to worthless as far as combos go in my opinion ( And I've never quite understood why people post these in the first place. Anyone could get the same combos doing the same thing. In that circumstance why not just post information about the programs instead? ). Best thing to do when you download combolists that people share is don't merge them all together. Doing that will pollute the good lists with all the crappy combos from the bad lists. Instead run them separately and see which ones work well and which ones don't. For example, I posted a few lists here nearly a year ago and posted a new list a week or so ago. I'll bet that there are guys here who merged those year old lists with the one I just posted. Of course, it makes absolutely no sense to do that but sometimes people just don't seem to think before they do something.:)
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Old 01-08-2006, 10:13 PM   #6
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Words of wisdom my friend

But I look at it this way. Of every 100 guys that wants to crack 10 of them will have the patience to make good wordlists, 30 of them will use athena or similar program, and 60 will try to get them from posted lists.

[rant]That's fine with me. The fit will survive and prosper. Most people don't understand there is some effort involved in this. They can't even take time to read a tutorial any more, they want a video tutorial. [/rant]
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Old 01-13-2006, 04:38 AM   #7
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to Wikerman:

first much respect to you and the things you share
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when the lists were obtained with leeching programs like Athena or Combomania, which are next to worthless as far as combos go in my opinion ( And I've never quite understood why people post these in the first place.
I don't know how to get those loved passwd files yet so I'm stuck with using leeched combos (don't leech from this site!). I have a few sites that dump al lot of active links in nonforum places that I use and I also use google. Who knows there's always better ways to do things, so I'm open to any suggestions on better ways.


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I'm ones of those that like the video tutorials , but that's because sometimes the writer is saying stuff over my head...

You should read these philosophical concept writings I've got from school, but most of the basics here are point and click so I understand the griping. Just keep coming up PLEASE with those great tutorials and who ever doesn't read them, it's their loss.


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Old 01-13-2006, 08:35 AM   #8
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thanks for all the info guys. going to try and make my own word list.
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Old 01-13-2006, 03:00 PM   #9
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If you are lazy for make wordlists, go pay 29.95/month for a site.

If you are not exploiter, you have to do your hit list. It's better if you do hitlists by niche.
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Now thanks a lot for all that information, it has been of great help for me :)
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